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The most important thing about the map is to make sure that you are on the right track.

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It took place over a number of nights, and there are hundreds of witnesses of these strange

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There was television coverage, there was press coverage, the headlines read, you know, Panico,

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the town panics when they see these strange lights in the sky.

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We're going to Mexico hoping this is going to be it.

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This is going to be the one case that produces exactly what we're looking for

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and the evidence that we can show to the world to prove that UFOs are real.

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UFOs exist.

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What is not certain is what they are.

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The mutual UFO network or MUFON watches the skies investigating sightings soon after they occur.

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Their investigators use the tools of science, psychology and law enforcement to get as close to the truth as the truth will allow.

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Unidentified flying objects definitely exist.

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Only their identity remains a mystery.

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The mystery of UFOs over Earth.

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I think the first person that does find an image that is absolutely incontrovertible would probably characterize it as the holy grail of the UFO hunt.

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But you can't let the hunt for that grail so to speak cloud your mind.

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With the prevalence of video cameras and cell phones and digital cameras, we're getting videos submitted to us all the time.

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But the question is are they real or not?

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There are photos that we know have been hoaxed.

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There was a whole series of photos that made the rounds on the internet we called the drones that our photo experts proved to be hoax.

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These are pretty good hoaxes. There's a lot of detail in the model.

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In fact, occasionally that gives it away because there's more detail than you would actually see at that distance in a craft.

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There's a number of different skill sets to creating computer generated imagery.

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There's the building of the model itself, there's the lighting of it, and then you have the compositing, the actual taking of this image and marrying it to the original.

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It's getting easier and easier every year I think to create a very realistic looking photograph.

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There's a chance that they will get by people.

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So when we get a clear photo, it's important that we pursue it and that we analyze it because it could be that one photo that proves that UFOs are real.

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We're going to Mexico to investigate these two cases, one of which is a photo case.

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We have a very clear photo of this UFO that was seen hovering over this house and we sent it off to our photo expert and in his initial analysis he's seen no evidence of tampering.

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One of the things I saw was that the bottom of the object has a reflection that kind of looks like a reflection of say a brownish roof type line.

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And from the photography I've done over the years and looking at this object it seemed to me that this object was also quite close.

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We think it's a worthwhile case, it's worth pursuing and the witness, the guy who took the photo, is willing to come forward and talk to us.

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So we have a live witness and we need to interview him.

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We have this other case in Miscala where the whole town saw this object fly over the town, stop on top of this hill and disrupt the power in the town.

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Numerous witnesses, many of who took video.

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The concern I have about going to Mexico is that with all this reporting that we get from the country there's no solid investigation going on.

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So we don't have trained investigators on the ground to sort of rule out what's been embellished and what's fact and what's fiction.

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So a little concern we're going to go down there and find out that some of these stories just don't pan out as we think they're going to.

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That's part of the excitement of the UFO investigation because we have to separate fact from fiction, we have to try to look at the science of it.

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But at a certain point there are things that are not going to be answered right away.

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Mexico is this hotbed of UFO activity.

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But we don't know what's real or not because there is this cultural fondness for the paranormal.

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In fact one of the most popular shows in Mexico is Jaime Malsán's show Tercer Milenio,

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which has to deal with the paranormal and his promotion of the UFO subject as real.

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Jaime is a celebrity in Mexico and we're going to go down and meet with Jaime because he's really our contact to get into Miscala

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and also to investigate this case and to peek.

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I've known about Jaime for ten years but I've never met the guy.

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Let's give them the first one. Let's continue with Tercer Milenio.

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That's why he does that.

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It was a long time I've heard of him.

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Thank you. My pleasure. Thank you for coming here.

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Because Jaime's show was so popular in Mexico, people are sending him videos all the time and he's collected hundreds of these videos.

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This is a video by a Mayan, literally a Mayan Indian.

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He recorded this subject with his cell phone.

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What year was this video?

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12th of May 2007.

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That's strange.

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This video is from Orizaba in May 2007.

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He showed us an enormous number of videos.

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To me it looked like just, you know, a video of the Mayan Indian.

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It looked like just, you know, street light reflections in the sky to unusual balloon shaped things floating.

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We have some beautiful pictures of the spears and this is from Leon.

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I'm looking at these videos and I have to wonder how do they get so lucky?

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How can they get so many shots of UFOs?

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They can't all be unidentified. There's just no way.

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Then you have them standing still. You have them moving together.

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You have them moving against each other.

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Where do we draw the line between this passion for the subject and just being too willing to believe?

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This case has been considered real.

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Who took this video here?

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This video is from Arturo Robles Hill.

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As you can see, it's very well recorded.

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He is able to follow the object without losing it for a long time.

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Here's...

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This is the one from 1994.

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This time the object is like dancing.

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Arturo is the one who has recorded more and better videos than anybody else in Mexico.

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This was taken by Arturo.

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2006, you can clearly see that it's an object that is a disc.

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It's an interesting video from the shape and the fact that it appears to be traveling and inclining at the same time,

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tilting on some sort of axis.

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Some of these videos are just incredible.

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Can we meet Arturo?

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Yes, you are going to meet Arturo.

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So Arturo, have you seen something like this before?

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Yes, I have seen these strange objects.

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Unknown.

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An estimated 10,000 UFO sightings are reported each year.

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MUFON, the mutual UFO network, chronicles these sightings,

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but only investigates those they consider credible.

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The following is an account of one such investigation.

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There's a number of people throughout Mexico.

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They refer to as a vigilante, which is a sky watcher.

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These folks dedicate themselves in filming anything that's odd.

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So Ruben, where are we going first?

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We're going to peace.

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So you want to take us and show us maybe your office?

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Yes, yes, of course.

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We can go to your rooftop and we can observe with you?

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Yes.

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Arturo Robles is Mexico's top sky watcher.

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And he's Jaime's number one guy.

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He supplies hundreds of videos to Jaime.

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And while I was in Mexico, there was no way I was going to pass up this chance

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to meet Arturo in person and see how he works.

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The worm is a tubular object, tubular latch.

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Of all the videos that Arturo has captured,

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the most striking are those that have these organic looking objects

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that look like worms.

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He's achieved worldwide notoriety for these videos.

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We can see how the worm moves,

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moves his left part.

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And also we can see some kind of energy flow around the worm.

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It's strange.

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So this entity is not flying with the air

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because the way that the object flies has a perfectly direction.

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Arturo, do you believe this to be an entity, a creature?

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It's difficult to answer to you this, but it seems to be.

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These are not the worms, right?

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No.

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The videos that I've seen from Arturo are intriguing.

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But the way he describes these worm objects as being living creatures,

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that concerns me because I don't know how he can tell that by just looking at the video.

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It's kind of hard for me to believe that Mexico City has that many UFOs flying over it all the time,

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and that just Arturo manages to film them.

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To clear this up, I asked him to show me where he's taking these videos,

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and he took me up to his rooftop.

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I have a complete view of the whole city.

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So these videos that we've been seeing, you've seen them over here?

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Yes.

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Sometimes if you are very lucky, you can see easy.

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It's an object? Do you see an object?

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I know this is a bird.

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Where's the bird?

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Did you see some object?

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Ah, yes, I see the object.

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I would tell you what is this,

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what is the need to make a focus.

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Now I have seen again.

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Yes, if you want, I can make a recording.

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Go out all the way, wide.

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So Arturo, have you seen something like this before?

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Yes, I have seen these strange objects.

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I'm going to make a zoom.

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And in my first opinion, this doesn't seem to be a group of balloons,

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because the shape is different.

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There is the possibility that this could be a group of balloons,

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but this could be, I don't know the name in English, trash.

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Trash, no, trash, no.

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Maybe like a...

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Basura, how do you say this?

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Yeah, garbage.

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Oh, okay, now you're seeing them.

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Are they turning?

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Yeah, that's interesting.

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But I can make another pause of this and see what we have.

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Oh, the detail is not too much.

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But at first glance, I would say that this is something strange, unknown.

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I know, unknown right now.

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I was interested to see Arturo's reaction to the strange object in the sky,

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because I knew what they were.

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They were a group of balloons.

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We're right here at the store with all the balloons.

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We're going to release mylar balloons.

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Perhaps Mr. Arturo Robles will capture these on his video

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and see what sort of reaction we will get.

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So the thought was to go put Ruben off in a park about 10 blocks away

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and release a bunch of balloons,

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just so we can have something up there that Arturo could notice

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and just to sort of get his real live reaction.

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Houston, we have a lift off.

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Woo-hoo!

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It's an object. Do you see an object?

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In my opinion, seems to be strange.

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I am not sure if this object could be or not a balloon.

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I don't know.

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Arturo is the collector.

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He's the guy who captures these images on video.

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But it's Jaime who sits down at his computer to analyze them.

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So if he wanted to find out how these investigations are handled in Mexico,

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Jaime's the guy we needed to talk to.

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You don't have to stop talking, my friend.

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So again, we were looking for the chain of evidence

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that goes in from collection to analysis.

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Jaime, we went to Arturo's house yesterday

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because we wanted to watch him do his sky watching.

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Yes.

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But at the same time, we wanted to know if he could distinguish

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what a lot of people think are balloons in the sky.

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You know, we wanted to be honest. We wanted to be upfront with him.

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We told him right off the bat about the experiment that we did with Arturo.

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Jaime and I are friends for many years.

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I was a little concerned how he would interpret this.

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It put me in a little awkward position.

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He saw the balloons. He couldn't identify them through his camcorder.

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I think what is important around the videos from Arturo is that

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they are very well recorded and it's up to us, the investigators,

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the ones who have to analyze. He's not an analyst.

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He is just a cameraman.

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Some of his videos are excellent.

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They can be presented anywhere in the world.

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I understand. And many times he had sent me things and I said,

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no, I don't like these. They move like balloons.

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I don't know if they are balloons or not. They move like balloons.

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Based on Jaime's analysis of the video, these were balloons,

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we were feeling a little bit better about his ability to discern

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what's real and what's not.

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He's not asking for money. He doesn't want any fame.

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He sent me more pictures.

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The photographs look genuine.

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None of those pictures, the dates and the times match up to what he's telling us.

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Okay, hold on. I'm going to tell James.

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James, sounds like our plans are changed.

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The object, leaving with the same characteristics.

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I think with pictures like this, what you're going to see is that

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because they're so clear, you're going to say those are too good to be true.

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And so it's going to be really important for us to be able to establish

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the identity of the witness who took them.

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Getting three additional photos from our witness in Tipeek was incredible,

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literally.

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Was it possible that one guy could take that many clear daytime photos of a UFO?

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It just sounded too good to be true.

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He's not asking for money. He doesn't want any fame.

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He's not looking for anything.

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At the beginning, what I have felt is that he is real.

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Music

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This guy might be very naive or very lucky just being there capturing these objects.

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We'll find out.

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Tell us everything from when you took the first photos to the second photos

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from everything. Just tell us everything.

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Okay, okay.

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No, no, okay, okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Let's see.

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Let's see.

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Let's see.

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Let's see.

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Out service.

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Yes.

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No service.

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He doesn't pick up the signal, he doesn't pick up the phone everywhere.

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So I came to give a message to my girlfriend.

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The dog was barking and he saw a kind of zombie.

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What I did was stop this and shoot.

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And there was the object.

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So what I did was go out.

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I took one, two, and the object was moving to this side.

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So I went back and I stopped and stretched my arm to be able to take it.

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Carlos took three pictures and several days later he was able to capture more additional

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pictures of the object flying higher in elevation.

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Carlos, the question, what did you think it was?

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When James Carrion sent me a number of photographs

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from the Mexico case, I noticed that, you know,

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when you bring up the data associated with the image,

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which is that EXIF data we always go to,

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the most important thing is the date and time.

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In rare cases, this time can be wrong,

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but I'm not convinced it happened in this case.

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You see that this was apparently shot May 11, 2008.

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Just shy of 11 a.m.

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The only thing that's kind of weird

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is that in this particular case,

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one was shot about an hour later,

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and then another one.

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So it sure came after that.

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MUSIC

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Carlos, you have your cell phone?

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See?

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OK.

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Can you find the photos?

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How much time, when you took the photos,

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how much time from the first one to the second one?

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In what I uploaded,

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about a minute and a half or two.

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OK, one or two minutes.

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Something sort of went off in me that, OK,

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something's wrong here.

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He's telling us that he took these photos one minute apart.

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What he's telling us in his testimony

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is not matching up to what we're seeing in the photo data.

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MUSIC

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This was a good shot right here.

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I like this.

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Ha ha ha.

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I noticed that there is reddish-brown reflections

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in the bottom of the craft.

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What that did was that made me think

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that this craft was actually a real unidentified flying object

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covering over the roof.

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The reason I have suspicion at all

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has to do with the next picture.

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It looks like the same object.

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I said, that's cool.

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I like this.

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I ended up zooming in on this object, and here you see it.

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And then I did some image manipulation on it.

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And when you do that, this is what you're left with.

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You can actually see this square.

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Within the square, the pixels surrounding this object

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seem to show much more variation and detail

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than pixels surrounding other objects in the same photo.

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This is not how an image would appear.

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And I can tell you there was a palpable sigh in the room

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when this happened.

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I went, ah.

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This was part of another picture.

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It was cut out and pasted in right into this picture.

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And as far as I'm concerned, if they fake one,

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they're going to fake another.

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The next thing we had to do was confront the witness.

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We had to confront Carlos and just put it out there

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and see what his reaction was going to be.

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I believe in Carlos, in the human aspect.

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There are some serious holes in this story.

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He didn't really admit that he had tampered with the photo,

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so we don't know what to make of that.

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All Mufon investigators are volunteers.

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Their full-time occupations range from police detectives

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to computer graphic designers to aeronautical engineers.

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They bring their skills to each investigation.

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Carlos, you have your cell phone?

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See?

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Carlos, you have your cell phone?

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You're going to try to burn it?

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There it is.

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So knowing that photos have been tampered with,

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we had to confront Carlos.

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I had my poker face on because we would never

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betray to a witness what we're thinking in terms

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of what our foreknowledge is.

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We'd like to show you some of the preliminary analysis

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we did on your photos.

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So this is the first photo.

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Every time you take a photo with a digital camera,

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your camera records the date, the time that the photo was

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taken.

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So one of the things that we noticed

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is that on this first photo that you took,

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the photo was taken May 11, 2008, at 10.59 AM.

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Now if we look at the second photo,

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it was also taken May 11, 2008, at 11.47 AM.

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It's a difference.

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It's a difference of 48 minutes.

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But you told us during your sighting

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that this only took one minute to happen.

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You took three photos in three minutes.

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But the camera is telling us that these two photos were

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taking 40-something minutes apart.

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Same day, but not at the same time.

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And there could be some alteration?

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No.

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Unless it was purposely done.

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Because they weren't taken with that time difference.

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OK.

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Well, that's what the information is telling us.

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OK.

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Let's take a look at the second set of photos

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that you told us were taken three or four days after that.

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This shows the pixelation of the photo.

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You can see it's uneven throughout.

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The problem is around the object itself,

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you can see a very square pattern.

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See how even small these pixels are?

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Perfectly around the object.

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But nowhere do you find a square of that size anywhere,

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which is consistent with what we see in photos

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that have been tampered with.

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But I heard a message.

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My girlfriend.

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The dog was barking.

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And I saw a kind of zombie.

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I took one, two, and the object was moving.

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Why we have these squares in here?

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Those are just the pixels.

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Those are just the other pixels in the picture.

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And could be this a pixel?

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No, no.

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I presented all the data to Jaime.

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And despite all of that, Jaime wanted

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to still believe Carlos's story was true

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and that he was being sincere and honest with him.

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I have to say that on the human side,

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as a journalist 37 years, I believe in Carlos,

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in the human aspect.

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I don't understand.

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It's very confusing for me the results of the technical.

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I think we have to go into further and to have

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a finer conclusion on this.

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But we're dealing with anecdotal testimony right now

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versus a very technical analysis that's actually

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fairly basic.

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None of those pictures, the dates and the times

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match up to what he's telling us.

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Just that's just the basic analysis.

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And then combine that with the analysis from our expert.

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And I think we have a problem.

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00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,740
Jaime's a reporter.

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00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:07,980
That's what he does.

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He produces this TV show.

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It's seen all over Mexico.

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So here we're dealing with what Jaime wants out

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of the phenomena versus what we want on the phenomena.

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So we're sort of butting heads at time,

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because in terms of what we do, we

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have got to cover all of our bases.

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And Jaime no one has no incentive to do that.

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00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:26,660
This picture is true.

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00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,120
Yes.

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00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:30,560
How can we know that they are true, Carlos?

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How can we know that they are true?

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00:26:34,660 --> 00:26:37,800
Well, I think the picture is made by ourselves.

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I took them.

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00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,140
I'm not a person who lies.

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I'm not a person who is involved in illegal things or relax.

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I mean, I feel like I have the credibility

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to be able to tell you that they are true.

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We've gone as far as we can with Carlos,

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because we're convinced that these photos are not real.

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00:26:58,020 --> 00:27:00,560
But Carlos is sticking to his guns.

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00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:02,960
But Jaime is convinced that we're wrong.

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In fact, he wants to bring in his own photo expert

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00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:05,800
to analyze them.

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00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:12,840
Hola, Guillermo.

430
00:27:12,940 --> 00:27:13,740
¿Cómo estás?

431
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,600
¿Certanos?

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00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:15,680
No, no.

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00:27:15,780 --> 00:27:16,780
Gracias.

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00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,940
Yo llegué en una imagen.

435
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,440
Yo llegué a la misma conclusión a ver

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00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:24,080
esas discusiones que hay alrededor.

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00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:26,980
Pero eso no indica que sea la sobreposición.

438
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,980
Entre más lejos, tenías un objeto a fotografía.

439
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,160
Mayor en la cantidad de yaes que vas a obtener.

440
00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:37,160
Hi, ma'am.

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00:27:37,260 --> 00:27:38,200
I'm no expert here.

442
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:39,860
But to me, this looks inconsistent.

443
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,880
You would think if this object was against the clouds,

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that we wouldn't see a square pixelation.

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00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,920
We would see all white, just like we're

446
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:49,460
seeing all white with the clouds.

447
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,360
Yeah, that's what I would expect too.

448
00:27:52,460 --> 00:27:55,240
But it seems that he thinks the opposite.

449
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,940
I wasn't impressed with Jaime's photo expert.

450
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,680
It's obvious to anybody looking at that.

451
00:27:59,780 --> 00:28:02,480
It looks to be that it was put in there purposely,

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that it's not a natural effect from the camera.

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00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,020
There is such a huge tufinder.

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00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,000
Then it, in flight, means blow.

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00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:17,600
And all αυτies project is the only project

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This is a photo expert.

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00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,240
Well if these beings are so powerful that they can fly across the galaxies, I'm sure

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they could alter the exif data photos.

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00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,240
Okay, that's it.

460
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,240
It's done.

461
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,240
Jaime, thank you for your time.

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00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,240
Thank you.

463
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,240
Thank you so much.

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I think Carlos thought it would be fun to hoax these photos and get on Jaime's show.

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And if it had not been for our investigation, he would have gotten away with it.

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We sent the photos to a non-move-on photo expert who agrees that the photos were tampered with.

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00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:44,240
There was panic, they were more scared.

468
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,240
That was just amazing. One of the best pieces of evidence I've ever seen.

469
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:59,240
We're headed up to Mascala to investigate a mass sighting.

470
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,240
What brought us down to Mexico originally was the size and scope of this story.

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00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:20,240
What we knew about what happened in Mascala was based on this newspaper report that came out that talked about the events of those three days.

472
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,240
The reports coming in said they saw this object fly over the town and then stop up on the hill.

473
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,240
As a newspaper article recounted, creatures on the ground.

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00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:36,240
The Mascala sighting is very unique because it's one of the few sightings where an entire town came out to witness an event.

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Everyone did see a light. Whatever it was, he excited them, it got them out of their houses, and it kept them talking about it for weeks after it.

476
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,240
But we don't know what that was.

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I found it fascinating that there was this direct electromagnetic effect caught on video that showed this light and its direct effect on the power in the town.

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I don't think it's ever been captured on film before. So to me that was just amazing.

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00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,240
It was one of the best pieces of evidence I've ever seen in terms of electromagnetic effects.

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00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,240
We started our investigation by first meeting up with the mayor of the town.

481
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,240
This phenomenon lasted three nights.

482
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,240
However, there were people who recorded it on the day.

483
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,240
It was a sphere that was reflected on the day.

484
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,240
There was panic, they were scared.

485
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,240
I was scared.

486
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,240
Look, what happens is that I see one of my niece.

487
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,240
Because even if the girl was crying, I don't know.

488
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,240
I don't understand these things.

489
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,240
That's what's not happening here.

490
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,240
I started recording and I was a little scared.

491
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,240
I don't know why I had never seen anything like that.

492
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:14,240
The idea we came up with was to build an animation based on the stories of what had happened in Moscow.

493
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,240
And show this to the town as they gather together.

494
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,240
And use this as kind of an icebreaker to get people talking.

495
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:28,240
It was probably the most rustic accommodation we've ever had for trying to build some kind of animation on a computer.

496
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,240
It was very far removed from an animation studio.

497
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,240
We wanted to show this animation to the townspeople to get their reaction.

498
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,240
To see whether or not they agreed with the animation.

499
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,240
Or they agreed that the object had flown over the town.

500
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,240
We were here at the end of the night.

501
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,240
The light was on the mountain.

502
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,240
Now we're going to show you a short film.

503
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:11,240
We want to know if what you're going to see now is what the light was like at the night.

504
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,240
The light was on.

505
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,240
Did you see the light?

506
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,240
Yes, you saw the reflection.

507
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,240
It was like a picture.

508
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,240
It was a huge thing.

509
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,240
Did you see a light that was flying over the town?

510
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,240
No, no, no.

511
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,240
It was just a shadow.

512
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,240
It was on the mountain.

513
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,240
But you didn't see it here in the town?

514
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,240
No, not here in the town, but in the mountain.

515
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:13,240
But it was on the mountain.

516
00:34:13,240 --> 00:34:16,240
It let us know that we were getting to the reality of the situation.

517
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:19,240
We weren't building a fable around UFO sightings.

518
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:34,240
So at this point we're thinking, okay, we don't have a classic UFO on our hands.

519
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:39,240
All we have is this bright light up on the hill that's having a direct electromagnetic effect on the town.

520
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:43,240
It's now light on the hillside. It's nothing flying.

521
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:48,240
I think the animation helped us separate the fable from the reality,

522
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:52,240
and our task becomes to figure out what were these people seeing on the hillside.

523
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,240
Luckily the town of Mascalla is small,

524
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:02,240
and it's not hard to find people who saw this thing.

525
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,240
So I don't leave the photo.

526
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:34,240
As we're meeting these witnesses, they started describing a very strange and weird experience.

527
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:42,240
We didn't notice anything, but we didn't notice anything.

528
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:47,240
We didn't notice if there was any object or something that was shooting out.

529
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,240
We didn't notice. It was the pure light that was reflected on the fable.

530
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:57,240
In the period of Chilpanzingo, we read that the people of the town said that when they saw that light,

531
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:00,240
they were able to see it.

532
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:06,240
I didn't have any kind of patients who complained about eye problems,

533
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:10,240
or that they were crying or they were red.

534
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,240
We decided to go back to what we know.

535
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,240
What we know is the video that aired on Mexican television.

536
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:43,240
This is the video that shows a camera first pushing it on one bright light,

537
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,240
and then later we're going to see a whole string of lights. Here we go.

538
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,240
He said this video was also taken from a rooftop,

539
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:08,240
so he was wondering maybe he was looking down and caught some of the street lamps as well.

540
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,240
So maybe later on...

541
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,240
Do we know what roof that was shot from?

542
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:24,240
Some people say that when they tried to film it with the cell phone, like the cell phone went off.

543
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,240
Right. You didn't experience any of that as well.

544
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:27,240
I don't know anything of that.

545
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:31,240
Why don't we look at the video and you can maybe tell us what was happening in the video,

546
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,240
who was with you and just walk us through it.

547
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:39,240
Well, you can hear the people saying,

548
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,240
oh, look at the lights, they're dimming.

549
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,240
Right here.

550
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:44,240
Right.

551
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:48,240
Oscar's is a very intelligent kid. He was a complete skeptic.

552
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,240
I think he was intrigued, just as we were, with the footage,

553
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:55,240
but at the same time he was looking for some sort of logical explanation for what it could be.

554
00:37:55,240 --> 00:38:00,240
What do you think that everybody here in town believed that this was a UFO?

555
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:02,240
I don't believe in that kind of stuff.

556
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,240
So you're saying you still don't believe it?

557
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,240
No, I don't believe that kind of stuff.

558
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:09,240
I'm pretty sure it was a transformer that blew up.

559
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:12,240
No, it was just cables.

560
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,240
Right here.

561
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:15,240
And this exact spot right there?

562
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:19,240
Yeah, I was standing here with my digital camera, just filming up there.

563
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:22,240
So Oscar, can you point exactly where you thought you saw the light?

564
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,240
If I remember correctly, yes.

565
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,240
You see the last tower with the electrical power line?

566
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,240
Yeah, I see all of the power lines going up there.

567
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:33,240
Maybe somewhere around there, I don't know, we can figure out by the street lights

568
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:37,240
and see exactly where the light was.

569
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:41,240
We thought, okay, now what we need to do is to bring in somebody who's a power grid expert,

570
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:45,240
take a look at where this light was at, try to match up shots,

571
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:50,240
and tell us could this possibly be something related to the power lines?

572
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:57,240
If power is being delivered to a short circuit, it's not being delivered to the lights.

573
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:01,240
Where we want to solve it, other folks want to perpetuate it.

574
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:41,240
Music

575
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:47,240
Through proper investigation, we were able to narrow down to the basic fact

576
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:51,240
that what we're dealing with is a single object that was close to the power lines.

577
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:56,240
So we thought maybe there was some direct relationship between the power grid and the UFO.

578
00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:03,240
We feel if we can get some good daytime shots and superimpose the video that aired on Mexican television.

579
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:07,240
On top of that, we can now approximate where these lights were

580
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:12,240
and let's find out where that big glowing light finds itself in the landscape.

581
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,240
This is far from conclusive, I think, but I think the photographic evidence shows that light

582
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,240
was somewhere up on the hillside near where the power lines connect.

583
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:25,240
So it gives our investigation a new twist, but I think it's time to start looking

584
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:27,240
into the power supply coming into Mescalon.

585
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:33,240
Music

586
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:39,240
We needed to find out what had occurred in Mescalon, and we came to a resource, Mr. Charles Federman.

587
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:44,240
Charles has had over 47 years in the electronic energy industry.

588
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,240
He really knows what he's talking about.

589
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:51,240
What it appeared to me was a spot source of electrical energy,

590
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:58,240
a high energy source, like coming from power lines, 115,000 volt type power lines.

591
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:02,240
It is light, but it's varying degrees of color from blue to white,

592
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:06,240
and it does impulse, it flickers on and off.

593
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,240
That's indicative of a short.

594
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,240
What would cause this kind of arcing?

595
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:17,240
The limb just has to reach from one conductor to the tower, which is grounded to cause a short.

596
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:21,240
Could this arcing last for this amount of days?

597
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:23,240
Well, the smaller the limb, the quicker it goes out.

598
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:27,240
I understand this went on for more than a day, several days,

599
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:31,240
and therefore it took some time to burn out.

600
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,240
We noticed there was light fluctuation going on.

601
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:35,240
Is that pretty common?

602
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:38,240
That would be consistent with an intermittent short.

603
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,240
When we see the illuminated spot get brighter,

604
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:45,240
we see the light in the village get dimmer.

605
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:51,240
I appreciate the passion and the openness that the Mexican people have for UFOs.

606
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:55,240
But ultimately, all of our cases turned out to be man-made,

607
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,240
either accidental or intentional.

608
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:03,240
The hope in any UFO investigation is you're going to find that one shred of irrefutable evidence

609
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:06,240
that takes the whole investigation of UFOs to the next level.

610
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:11,240
That's still eluding us, but there's the next story.

611
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:15,240
The way I see it is that with UFOs, with this phenomena,

612
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:20,240
there are those of us who move on who want to solve this mystery.

613
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:24,240
That's our goal, is to come to some sort of conclusion what this phenomenon is about.

614
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,240
There are other folks out there that want to perpetuate the mystery.

615
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:28,240
That's their goal.

616
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,240
Their goal is to keep the subject and the mythology alive.

617
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:36,240
That's where we have this conflict of interest, where we want to solve it,

618
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:38,240
other folks want to perpetuate it.

619
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:50,240
Where's the bird?

620
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,240
No, do you mean the object?

621
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,240
What object?

622
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:57,240
Someone had labeled this as a morphing UFO,

623
00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:00,240
but these are the balloons that we launched in our experiment.

624
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,240
And in the background, you can hear the voices.

625
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:06,240
You can hear James and the other crew, the other investigators.

626
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,240
That's funny.

627
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:13,240
I can't believe this.

628
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,240
And some of the remarks, I can't believe it,

629
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:19,240
that people would believe this is a morphing object.

630
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:25,240
These people are going to have a rude awakening when they find out what the real deal is.

631
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:28,240
I just say, haha, I know it,

632
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:31,240
but it was me that launched those balloons.